Dan's Comments on Vol 7: Testing the Waters
Overall remarks. The most monumental shakeup thus far in the collection: multiple songs by multiple artists! Bold! And great idea! Who hasn't been assembling a collection or potential collection and been faced with the problem of choosing between multiple songs by the same artist (though, I guess, Gibbs sort of dilly-dallied with this first with the two Zeps on "Poignant Santa)? Anyway-great way to give us a more substantial look at artists that are floating your boat.
1. How to Quit: I liked it OK, but not an exceptional amount. I think you like her voice more than me-possibly quite a bit more. Interesting, I actually think both the singing and the playing reminds me quite a bit of some early stuff from solo McCartney (circa early 70s-with him singing falsetto which sounds spookily like her voice); which doesn't necessarily give you the impression I would not be a huge fan. I guess when he did it it was more of a novelty-but not a vocal quality that, for me, could sustain itself over an entire album. Some of the chord changes-unexpectedly from major to minor-kind of neat. I had a little bit more trouble trying to extract a cohesive message from the lyrics. You may be onto something about her love affair, but to me it almost seems more like a bunch of individual lines that make sense in and of themselves, but not when assembled (ala Duran Duran, but far less ridiculous).
2. Red Silk Five: More guitar & vocal style reminiscent of McCartney (although her voice sounds lower on this song (this time almost like McCartney without a falsetto). I actually don't find it sultry, but rather unappealing) and more rather insructible lyrics, (again ala Duran Duran, so I will again offer an example of their ridiculous lyrics). This song does very little for me. There's a sort of snaky, loungey sort of minor chordy style of alternative music that is probably not classified anywhere as an official sub-genre, but it is one to which it seems you are drawn, Mixdorf. This is definitely not the first couple of songs of this sort that I've heard in your collection. You know-just thinking here...does this remind anyone vaguely of some kind of ethnic music-either possibly traditional Jewish or some sort of eastern European (Romanian, gypsy, etc.) in chord/melody/song structure. Obviously pretty far removed from any of the actual traditional styles, but there's some basics that, to me, seem like they're in there. Might be interesting for you to visit the ol' public library and explore it...Anyway, the collection picks up considerably for me after the Sam Phillips section is over...
3. We Both Go Down Together: Oh...my...God....what a find for you and for me now! This song rockets to the upper, upper crust of all that I have heard so far in CMC; certainly among the top two or three of songs to which I'd previously not been exposed. I LOVE Colin Malloy's voice and I just think it's hilarious-picturing this guy with this cosmopolitan, East Coast accent-sounding for all the world like he should be out singing show tunes at The Ritz, growing up in Mizzoula, MT. And I love that regardless of where his songs transport you: 19th century England, 18th century Nantucket, 18th century Georgia Plantation; the stories are always being delivered by this skinny, clean-cut guy from late 20th century New Jersey. And I LOVE how and where his songs transport you, lyric-wise. He doesn't just tell a tale-he's IN the tale. His a tall tale teller, and he pulls no punches in that regard. I don't know if this is the case, but I can almost picture their fans waiting for the next album release the way an old audience might have waited for the latest release in a serial publication by Dickens. So, word-wise, Mixdorf and Dan finally meet in the middle? An instance where the words are so jolly good and interesting, that the music is knocked down a notch or two in importance? Perhaps, but that's why "We Both Go Down Together" is so great! The music is FANTASTIC! Spine-chilling the way it supports the scene that is being laid out. Did Gibbs' (I just glanced at his comments-haven't read them closely yet) say that he was delivering the words from the standpoint of the woman? I didn't see it like that...I thought he was definitely being the man, but that the way his character is the one from "wealth & beauty, untouched by work or duty" and all was a fantastic, funny, and shocking fist in the face of rock and roll tradition of about 50 years where everyone knows the protagonist is always the guy that's out of his league. So funny, so wonderful. I can't get enough of his crazy accent (does he sometimes think he, himself is funny, and actually work it to effect?), and the musical progression in this song. Great musical moment, the tension rising between music and vocals right as he delivers the "hold tight, it's just beginning" line. Have gotten chills numerous times at that point. And boy, what a powerful line: "We both go down together." Great, and great. On a side note: consider how the entire gist of the song would have changed with the simple rearranging of two words: "Meet me on my untouched veranda, my sweet and vast Miranda..."
4. Eli, the Barrow Boy: Very, very Dickens reminiscent. God, the story goes from sad to saddest, kind of like Little Nell in The Old Curiosity Shop. Not as musicially compelling as the previous song, but a quality listen, nevertheless.
5. The Mariner’s Revenge Song: OK, now this song is interesting. In this, the two worlds totally collide. Music which could have literally have been lifted from a sound effects CD, or a set list from the house band at My Big Fat Greek Wedding. However, one of the most wild and fantastical set of words to have ever been set to music!!! What to say, how to evaluate? I must say that the way the song is sung, he definitely lifts the music, which defininitely does not progress much, otherwise, to a point where it is supporting and helping to move the story along. What an insane and great story! I guess the end evaluation is that I enjoy hearing the song every time I do. As I mentioned two songs ago, funny also to hear his voice in this character. The fear he sees in his victim's eyes may well be as the result of the guy realizing he's alone in the middle of the sea with a tirading metrosexual.
6. Concerning the UFO Sighting near Highland, Illinois: Wild, great idea for a project on which to embark (50 states, 50 albums). Sounds exactly like something of which I might conceive and, subsequently, fail to accomplish. I wish him the best. In this song, I love the UFO-piano. Words, short and sweet in stark contrast to the previous few selections. Very pretty, very haunting.
7. John Wayne Gacy, Jr.: Ugh. Gibbs saying something like this is the song no one would want to admit being their favorite. Wow-he's embracing a topic a lot of non-speed metal groups would not touch with a 10-foot pole. I wonder if all the little things he alludes to from Gacy's background are true: I suppose they probably are. In any event, an exceedingly pretty song, that is far too pretty and beautiful for the subject matter. Kind of like the beautiful poison dart frog of South America, or the plants that shoot hippie spores in This Side of Paradise. Not sure what he's getting at when he refers to the 27 people killed by Gacy then asks "are you one of them?" Um...no. I think the last couple lines, about being "...just like him" are a little disconcerting and odd. Sort of like, why would you say that? Not sure why he felt it necessary to draw such a comparison. I like the falsetto "aye-ee-aye-aye" moments, musically; and the harmony.
8. Decatur, Or, Round of Applause For Your Stepmother! NPR, indeed! Musically, this sounds like some sort of intro song to a PBS special or documentary. Musically, I also find it rather boring.
9. The Predatory Wasp Of The Palisades Is Out To Get Us! Guitary style very similar to the Gacy song. A couple of moments and moods that seem very much like Paul Simon's "Renee and Georgette Marritte with Their Dog After the War." About traveling in Illinois as a kid? Very poignant and intimate. I like the words and I find the music very pretty, though not groundbreaking. I like some the countermelody choruses that sort of continue throughout the song.
10. The Seer’s Tower
This guy could take a song about Rowan and Martin's Laugh-In and make it haunting. I can't improve upon the comments that Mighty Tom made on this song, for they were mine generally, as well-though I'm not sure I would have "coalesced" them quite so well. I don't find these words really accessible-and it seems that relating them to the Sears Tower is pushing it a bit. It doesn't do an amazing amount for me overall; though sometimes I can pretend that "The Seer''s Tower" is referring to Isengard, and then I sit up and take notice.
Overall: Alternative music has got you, my friend. The newest of the newest of the new, as is so often on the playlist for NPR or college radio, is so amazingly hit or miss (and mostly miss) for me, but it is a fertile hotbed of potential music for your collection. I don't spend much time in that world these days, so you (and Miles too, I think) will be my connection to all that is alt. In the best of moments, I will come across assorted goodies to which I never otherwise would have been exposed. B.S., without a doubt for me "We Both Go Down Together." Thanks so much for bringing that song into my life. SIWHI: hmmm. I don't know any other songs by these guys. How about an individual artist you guys might not know who has multiple songs I think are great and that deserve exposure? Mike Ireland.
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Reviews are coming fast and furious now.
As I said to comment to MT, I will wait until all have commented before fully responding.
Will have some to say on what exactly 'alternative music' is any more.
OK-but make sure you're not taking issue with something that's not being contended. Suspecting that you may feel obliged to explain to me that "alternative" is a crappy catch-all, I agree. All I really mean by alternative is "new" and "not fitting into traditional rock music categories." if you don't agree with that, then let's have at it.
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I am glad you liked the voice of the Decemberists...
I also love the way This Side of Paradise was added alongside other, fine examples.
As Shatner once said, America didn't have its own mythology until Star Trek. No wonder we draw so much from it.
Great comments!
thanks! I wonder what the "Comments Deleted" guy said...
I love the song titled John Wyane Gacy Jr. It is very creepy and poignant. However, it is very disturbing that he sings the line about feeling the same as him. What? Are you insane?
That was kind of my thought, as well. Whether you're trying to be figurative or not, that's just a fuckin creepy thing to say.
Some humor to me that you found this collection to be 'bold' and 'the most monumental shake-up so far'. I guess to that I would say, you ain't seen nothing yet. Other than sticking to the 10 song limitation (god knows how long it takes some people to get their comments done for 10) pretty much anything goes in my mind.
Sam Phillips
She has always struck me as having a slightly Beatle-y sound, but I have never heard any similarities to Paul McCartney's voice.
Comparing these lyrics to Duran Duran seems a dramatic stretch, particularly among all the levels of scrutability among song lyrics. These are on whole different levels, with many artists in between.
You actually heard a number of these songs on my last visit, as we drove around looking for something at electronic stores and listening to my Ipod, as opposed to hearing other similar things in my collection.
Decemberists.
Shit. I certainly didn't expect the level of adoration for this song that I got.
The story that I heard about Colin Malloy was that he had been a writing major in college, and completely rejected his professor's claims that you can only write about things that you know. At least in terms of songwriting, as opposed to novel writing, he certainly seems capable of inhabiting people who he could never really be. The themes in these songs are certainly universal, but his ability to locate them in long ago times is remarkable. The irony of his voice does add to the fun.
I've always thought the 'we both go down together' line was ominous, but also an underhanded reference to 69.
Poor Eli.
I think the instrumentation in MRS is intentionally appropriate to the feel of the song. I love the accordion. I think it's also just there to set the mood for the lyrics. A homicidal metrosexual, with an accordion.
Sufian Stevens
I think your Star Trek mythology attributions go way beyond the realm of reasonable. Gibbons reminded us that Shatner said we had no mythology before ST, but for you two, your thousands of hours of ST watching has squeezed out most other possible references. Making people into hippies is hardly a fate as bad as death.
That said, I think it's remarkable to make such abeautiful song out of such a horrible subject.
His, 'are you one of them' may be more about his earlier references to the victims being normal people, people who had done nothing to deserve their fate. In that case, we are 'one of them'.
Again, the 'just like him' may be about JWG being what seemed to be a normal kid with no real hint that he would end up as he did.
You probably do know another song by The Decemberists, one called 16 Military Wives, a remarkable anti-war song that got the most radio play of this album. It would have been on The Current for sure, and on regular radio for sure. It doesn't feel like any of the three songs featured here.
As to the 'alternative music' tag. I may be more into it than you (though you introduced me to The Current, which is ALL alternative in essence), I barely dip my toe into new music. I think the most significant difference between us is that you are more resolved to mine the riches of music's past, seeking out albums that you feel you 'should' own, I do look for the next great band, assuming that building on all the great music of the past will yield good things.
Of course...some humour intended in asserting the "boldness" of the move.
You'll have to listen to some McCartney falsetto. Particularly in the early 70s.
I am well aware that the instrumentation of MRS is intended to lend itself to a story of this sort, but that, alone, does not elevate it to a point where I would say it's great music. On this, we go round and round and round.
I actually thought that "are you one of them" probably referred to victims, but I've never typed "um...no" before and really wanted to.
On "just like him"-that take makes it no less creepy. One man in about half a billion reacts to getting hit in the head like JWG.
On a final note-just a bit injured at being shunned for "best commentor," in terms of creative craft of responses. Perhaps not only only are my preferences in music not particularly aligned with yours, but also my humour.
It's not MT's humor that gets him best commenter from me, it's more that they seem composed.
I don't do a 'rough' draft when I do comments, so I have no expectation of others doing so, but MT seems to. And when he's done they're better, to my eyes, than anyone else's.
We can't all be best commentor, and perhaps my opinion will change over time, at which point I will say so.
Very good.
I made a conscious effort to dial back the effort I put into comments a bit for the last volume. It was getting discouraging, to put the amount of effort & time into them but not get "return on investment," as they say. I still need to devote a couple of hours, at least, as I read have creator comments and lyrics handy, while doing a more or less live listen through while commenting. But I definitely don't do a rough draft. And gone are my efforts at trying to cross reference all previous commentors, and going on wild flights of fancy (Duran Duran notwithstanding).
I hope you did read those insane D.D. lyrics!
For the record, MT has come a ways in his commenting: http://coalescentmusicalcoop.blogspot.com/2005/11/ac-is-always-on-at-johnsons.html
Understood.
I certainly appreciate the time and effort to thoroughly comment. Your methods are similar to mine.
And yes, the 80's were a wild time, when a #1 band could have great hooks, inexpicable lyrics, and videos featuring dwarves riding topless girls like horses.
See Girls on Film video (the uncensored version) if you haven't already.
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